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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 1:12 PM
But DC fas love anal blasted heroes !
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 10/7/2024, 1:12 PM
7. It wasn't The Batman.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 10/7/2024, 1:15 PM
Good [frick]ing lord, Josh, I left for a few days and come back to nothing but spam articles of this film. I have no doubt this film is bad but wtf is with all these hate boner articles?
RolandD
RolandD - 10/7/2024, 4:20 PM
@EZBeast - Shades of his Flash articles. It’s the same thing all over again. It’s also not a Marvel movie. User Comment Image
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 10/7/2024, 1:20 PM
Considering this is elseworlds. They could have used this as a rise of Joker story where he takes over the underworld of Gotham and who would be the first to resist him. The issue with the movie is they revert Arthur back and ignore his arc in the first movie. We dont really get to see the fruits of Arthur becoming who he is meant to be. They rob us of that.
TheNewYorker
TheNewYorker - 10/7/2024, 1:21 PM
All the songs sucked. Author became more pathetic than in the first movie. Pointless sequel with a rage inducing ending.

I’m happy it’ll go down as one of the absolute worst “comic book movies” ever!
Vigor
Vigor - 10/7/2024, 1:21 PM
I haven't seen the movie. But everytime the ending is explained, I love it more and more
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/7/2024, 1:31 PM
@Vigor - don’t love it but I am ok with it tbh.

It’s an idea that’s been played with it before and seems to fit one of the themes or notions of the film.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/7/2024, 1:28 PM
Todd Phillips sure showed all those Chuds who liked the first movie what’s up! Suck it losers! This is what winning looks like!
Matchesz
Matchesz - 10/7/2024, 1:28 PM
I read that WB decided against test screenings. Hopefully they’ll learn.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 10/7/2024, 1:37 PM
Because nobody asked for a sequel.
Because musicals are hard to sell.
Because it spits in the face of the audience.
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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/7/2024, 2:02 PM
@MCUKnight11 - people apparently walking out once they realized it was a musical was funny.

It’s such a niche genre that it was a bad idea to give them so much money to make it

I can see it being higher then something like La La Land which was made on a 30 million budget due to the period 80’s setting to an extent but still nowhere near 200 million (most of which went to the leads &. Phillips who should have reduced their asking rate for this).
Forthas
Forthas - 10/7/2024, 1:42 PM
Good list! the only thing I would add is that it teaeses Batman villains, the Waynes and of course Gotham city but leaves out the one person associated with all of those things. Batman!
RolandD
RolandD - 10/7/2024, 4:22 PM
@Forthas - Yep.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/7/2024, 1:48 PM
Hot take: Misery porn without any resolution or payoff is just misery porn and this part might be a shock for some to hear this but most normal human people shockingly don't want to pay money just to feel miserable for 2 hours.
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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 2:06 PM
@HashTagSwagg - misery porn its oke when its against chuds. so ill give it a pass
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 7:25 PM
@HashTagSwagg - CIVILITY! now!
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/7/2024, 1:55 PM
it was a bummer
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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 7:26 PM
@harryba11zack - only for Joker
.the guards were having a ball
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/7/2024, 1:59 PM
Look , I haven’t seen the movie yet and probably won’t for atleast awhile but these complaints about this was an unnecessary or unneeded sequel don’t work for me…

If the movie looked appealing to people then they would go see it , period.

Also I find it hilarious that people who are calling this surface level don’t think that about the first one because it was also that imo aswell as being heavy handed…

The story might have been fresh & new for the genre but pretty much tackled well worn themes of mental health & the class system in a very simplistic manner that had been done stronger elsewhere.

It’s due to the cinematography , music and especially Phoenix’s performance that the first was elevated to an extent (still was a C for me).

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TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 10/7/2024, 2:01 PM
The whole movie was what should have been condensed down to the first act of the film, not the entire film.

The Joker is in prison, meets Lee, goes on trial and then the bomb goes off and his radicalized gang frontend by Lee takes him on a wild journey through the newly liberated and depraved underground of Gotham he created after being arrested and locked up.

It's THEN, when faced with the reality of what he has created that he ultimately decides to either embrace Joker or to run away from the overwhelming entity that he accidentally created.

And I wouldn't have had the guard kill his skinny friend who idolized him, I'd have made him the one who kills Arthur after Arthur runs from the Joker gang and disappointed him, and he becomes the actual Joker painting his face using Arthurs blood.

But I think Toad Phillips knew fans wanted something fun and crazy like that, and refused to give us a proper follow up.
TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 10/7/2024, 2:06 PM
I think it even would have been a more appropriate parallel to have the rabid toxic love for JOKER by his followers being the very thing that turns him away from the Joker, being closer to Todd's gripe of the fan base twisting the message of the actions of the first film into something toxic and morbid. Missed opportunity to take the material seriously.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/7/2024, 3:30 PM
@TheVandalore - It felt like nothing happened until that last moment. This is basically 2-3 boring assed hours with a few mediocre Gaga songs and then that scene happens which is basically just an unnecessary after-credits stinger for the first movie. That's it.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 7:28 PM
@TheVandalore - this version sounds kinda badass...the point of this sequel is to deny Joker any agency on being cool or crazy...the guy was a faking chud the whole time. Abd thats it
Fogs
Fogs - 10/7/2024, 2:29 PM
Hot take: the 1st Joker also isn't all that.

Good but not great.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 10/7/2024, 2:34 PM
1. Didn’t need a sequel
2. Didn’t need a sequel
3. Didn’t need a sequel
4. Didn’t n……you get where I’m going with this.
SpiderBloke2099
SpiderBloke2099 - 10/7/2024, 2:37 PM
It's right about now, I actually want WB to go under for so thoroughly managing to royally eff up DC and their character for the past 25 years if not longer.

And, yes, I realise that includes the 4 DC movies* I actually like, but they've made so many damn mistakes...


*Dark Knight trilogy and Wonder Woman. Only counting live-action movies as well, or it'd be 5 with the Lego Batman Movie.
thobie1
thobie1 - 10/7/2024, 3:41 PM
Spoiler alert for giving away the ending?
SuperJefe
SuperJefe - 10/7/2024, 5:15 PM
Todd Phillips, I believe, caught a little lightening in a bottle with Joker. Right movie, right time, for whatever reason.

This time around he was actually trying too hard and blew it.

I refuse to believe that everyone associated with this movie purposely went into it just to fail miserably in the name of art.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/7/2024, 6:50 PM

Doesn't this article just cover the exact same points as your review Josh?
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/7/2024, 7:29 PM
@DocSpock - so? The more the merrier .like arthurs buttocks
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/7/2024, 9:16 PM
@Malatrova15 -

That is very weird. But you say it like you mean it, so... enjoy!
Nolanite
Nolanite - 10/7/2024, 8:46 PM
I am a super fan of anything DC Comics and obviously loved the first one but....
This one was not needed or necessary.
Good thing James Gunn didn't put the DC brand on this movie.
Not sure who to blame...
Todd Phillips or WB. Most likely WB.
Nolanite out
MrDandy
MrDandy - 10/8/2024, 12:56 AM
How about an ending where Arthur only breaks out of his delusions because it is heavily implied he was prison gang r*ped and the. The movie treats that like a positive development for the character. Who greenlit this script??
MrDandy
MrDandy - 10/8/2024, 12:57 AM
How about an ending where Arthur only breaks out of his delusions because it is heavily implied he was prison gang r*ped and the movie treats that like a positive development for the character. Who greenlit this script??

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