JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Opening Weekend Projections Continue To Decline As Sequel's Massive Budget Is Revealed

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Opening Weekend Projections Continue To Decline As Sequel's Massive Budget Is Revealed JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Opening Weekend Projections Continue To Decline As Sequel's Massive Budget Is Revealed

With just a few short hours left until Joker: Folie à Deux opens in theaters, the latest box office projections for the Todd Phillips' sequel paint the picture of a massively disappointing opening weekend.

By JoshWilding - Oct 03, 2024 10:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker
Source: The Hollywood Reporter

Joker: Folie à Deux hit tracking three weeks ago and looked set to open with $70 million, a $26 million drop from 2019's Joker. That's still a respectable sum in the post-pandemic landscape, but those projections continue to drop...and drop.

The Hollywood Reporter reveals that the sequel could now open in North America with as little as $50 million, a disappointing start for a movie which the trade says "is expected to be a major player in the Oscars race." 

Advance ticket sales have been lower than anticipated and, overseas, Warner Bros. Discovery is hoping Joker: Folie à Deux can debut with $80 million - $85 million (it doesn't arrive in China and Japan until several weeks from now). 

Five years ago, Joker debuted with $96.2 million domestically and $155 million overseas, eventually earning what was then a record-breaking $1 billion when all was said and done at the worldwide box office. 

The trade also confirms that, whereas Joker cost $55 million to produce before marketing, filmmaker Todd Phillips was given a massive $190 million - $200 million to make this follow-up. 

Apparently, a good chunk of that went to singer Lady Gaga in the hope of luring in female moviegoers. This story also points out that, "The studio's marketing materials have steered clear of highlighting the film's numerous musical sequences, just as they did when selling Wonka, an official musical." As a result, it's hard to blame those elements for putting off anyone other than hardcore fans. 

When it comes to why interest appears to be much lower among the casuals, we have to believe a disastrous 2023 has done little to make people want to return to theaters for another potential DC disaster like The Flash

Then, there's the fact Joker: Folie à Deux's Rotten Tomatoes score has plummeted to a dismal 48% based on 88 reviews... 

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 10/3/2024, 10:37 AM

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Batmangina
Batmangina - 10/3/2024, 10:38 AM
LOL


Welp.
MisterBones
MisterBones - 10/3/2024, 10:41 AM
This movie should not cost that much. Embezzlement scheme.
Reginator
Reginator - 10/3/2024, 10:42 AM
@MisterBones - overpaid for gaga
Reginator
Reginator - 10/3/2024, 10:42 AM
loved the Gene Wilder Wonka, will never watch the musical remake. Really enjoyed the joker, will never watch the musical sequel.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/3/2024, 10:42 AM
All that stuff you just typed....

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Forthas
Forthas - 10/3/2024, 10:44 AM
"The studio's marketing materials have steered clear of highlighting the film's numerous musical sequences..."

So their own internal marketing research indicates that making it a musical was a boneheaded idea. I don't understand why this company is intent on losing money when if they committed to the grounded character driven world of The Dark Knight Trilogy and Man of Steel over eleven years ago they would be printing their own money.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 10/3/2024, 11:27 AM
@Forthas - I don't think Man of Steel sequels would've been money printers. There's so much more to be gained with an upbeat story (like D&W).

That said, WB sure does sound like a money embezzlement scheme at times.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/3/2024, 11:47 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I would disagree! I think the early box office success for the "official" sequel to Man of Steel - Batman V Superman - was feeding off the fumes of MOS. Unfortunately that particular film was a cluster and I think at that point it started the downward spiral. They have the ability to restart that universe the same way Marvel just did with Deadpool whose head was literally cut off when he was first introduced and yet they were able to shake that off and are making billion dollar films.
hova26
hova26 - 10/3/2024, 10:47 AM
This site is terrible and Wilding is the worst. At least try to hide your bias every now and then. The CMB genre in general is not the same as it was pre pandemic.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/3/2024, 11:06 AM
@hova26 - not just the cbm genre but movies in general

Things are expensive atleast in the states now so people would rather wait to see the films at home for less price if they aren’t interested enough to go to theaters for it
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/3/2024, 10:47 AM
They entirely missed the point of why the first one was to profitable, but that’s WB/DC for you. Always shitting the bed.
EZBeast
EZBeast - 10/3/2024, 11:03 AM
Why, [frick]ing why, would you increase the budget so drastically for a film like this when the first was lightning in a bottle at such a modest cost???
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 10/3/2024, 11:03 AM
They should've cast Taylor Swift instead of Gaga. Made the Joker a football player for an NFL team that the refs help win. Would've been huge.
ReverseFlasher
ReverseFlasher - 10/3/2024, 11:04 AM
These analyses all seem to miss the very obvious mark as far as why its not going to open well.

Whenever I talk to people about the first Joker, half of them say it was not great. Yes some loved it but a fair amount didnt, and those people simply arent going this time around, thus lower ticket sales.
grif
grif - 10/3/2024, 11:09 AM
the budget is really old news

Spoken
Spoken - 10/3/2024, 11:11 AM
Should of never took it to a film festival a month before the movie debuts. This was a very anticipated movie, that was now squandered by the myriad of spoilers that followed after the movie released.

Whether or not it is going to be a good movie for me this Sunday remains to be seen, but the box office could of been higher if they just waited to reveal the movie and stop being pretentious, it probably could of made the same as the first film for opening weekend.
SATW42
SATW42 - 10/3/2024, 11:23 AM
@Spoken - "but the box office could of been higher if they just waited to reveal the movie and stop being pretentious"

This I agree with. They shot themselves in the foot with this move. It wouldve had a decent opening, and then the story would probably be about what a huge second week drop it had.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 10/3/2024, 12:03 PM
@Spoken - they should have not made a sequel. Even as a huge DC Comics guy, I was completely content with just a single movie.
Matador
Matador - 10/3/2024, 11:15 AM
@asherman93 @Izaizaiza I rested my case

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Izaizaiza
Izaizaiza - 10/3/2024, 2:15 PM
@Matador - Wait, what did you tell me so about? 🤔
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/3/2024, 11:25 AM
I don’t think DC’s 2023 film slate has much or anything to do with this or even the fact that this might be viewed as an “unnecessary” sequel (if the GA think a movie looks good then they see it).

I do think the curiosity factor that the first one had , atleast in part due to the discourse around that film at the time is no longer there for this one hence it tracking lower as now (though that doesn’t mean it can’t still be successful).

Plus while the musical elements have been hidden , the trailers still do show them which could turn some people off.

Also I don’t think the mixed-negative reception thus far for people who pay attention to that has helped either.

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Regardless how people feel about this film or the duology overall , this is still unfortunate to see so hopefully it performs better then estimated!!.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/3/2024, 11:25 AM
I am projecting this film to make less than $500 million worldwide! Which I think would make it somewhere between a mild flop to break even.
Matador
Matador - 10/3/2024, 12:08 PM
@Forthas - They could have introduced another villain from Gotham universe to aid or conflict with this realistic Joker but they went with Gaga that killed interest for everyone. Or they could have made her a very minor supporting role not major.
ThorArms
ThorArms - 10/3/2024, 11:41 AM
huge disappointment to wait 5 years for this - I loved the first one, and they really could've done something cool with a sequel.

Exit scores internationally are awful so far.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 10/3/2024, 11:51 AM
I don’t think we needed a sequel to the first one. Not everything needs to be a franchise.

That said, I admittedly was interested in a sort of anthology concept of “Joker in ______”, where “Joker in Taxi Driver” was the first, and then the sequels would be classic movies retold as a Joker story. “Joker in Casablanca”, “Joker in The Godfather”, “Joker in Lawrence of Arabia”, etc.

I guess they fumbled whatever they were doing with this one. Kind of wild that the budget ballooned up to $200mil.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 10/3/2024, 11:54 AM
I don't think even Gaga fans will save this.
Thing94
Thing94 - 10/3/2024, 1:14 PM
I read she was paid $12 million how does that make up a big chunk of $200 million? Lol
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/3/2024, 2:17 PM
@Thing94 - That is not a big chunk of $200 million at all (and that's the initial budget, if he went overbudget at all then it's probably way more than $200M). The whole HR article tries to put a positive spin on everything bad about this movie.

They even went as far as to say that despite getting terrible reviews and probably being a flop that the movie is "Expected to be a major player in the Oscars race."
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