AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY - Everything We Know About Marvel's SCRAPPED Plans For The Movie

With Marvel Studios choosing to move on from Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (and Kang), we've gathered up every piece of available information about the movie to take a deep dive into what might have been...

By JoshWilding - Aug 06, 2024 12:08 PM EST

Filed Under: Avengers: The Kang Dynasty

When Marvel Studios introduced Kang (a.k.a. He Who Remains) in Loki, it felt like the MCU was about to get an even greater big bad than Thanos.

However, the studio made a major misstep by adding his most well-known Variant, Kang the Conqueror, to Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania. In the movie, the Kang we expected to be the Multiverse Saga's endgame was soundly beaten by the title heroes. Then, to make matters worse, rising star Jonathan Majors was dropped from the role after a well-publicised domestic abuse trial.

Marvel Studios has since decided to move on from Kang and will instead focus on Doctor Doom in the next Avengers movies. Since The Kang Dynasty (now titled Doomsday) was announced two years ago, a lot has been revealed about what it would have looked like and we've rounded up everything you need to know here.

From a villainous Iron Man to Kang's backstory and the movie's leads, here's everything that might have been in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty...

7. Some Very Early Story Details

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The earliest plot leaks for The Kang Dynasty suggested we'd meet a much younger version of Loki's He Who Remains as the scientist Nathaniel Richards. The plan was for him to join forces with the Avengers to take on Kang and his many Variants.

Unsurprisingly, the Council of Kang would defeat The Avengers, prompting the remaining heroes to traverse the Multiverse in Avengers: Secret Wars to assemble a team of heavy hitters. Characters from the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises, along with actors like Hugh Jackman, Andrew Garfield, and Tobey Maguire were set to be among those enlisted.

We'd bet Nathaniel was going to turn on the team at some point, though this rough plot outline didn't allude to his final fate. Perhaps he'd have created a new Sacred Timeline, leaving the MCU's characters in another loop which softly rebooted the MCU?

Either way, Kang was to remain front and centre (hence the title) and there was zero mention of Doctor Doom.

6. The Original Creative Team

Shortly after The Kang Dynasty was announced, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton was hired to take charge of the movie.

The response from fans was positive, particularly as he'd steered Shang-Chi to such great success in the final months of the pandemic. With fan theories about the Ten Rings being linked to Kang, rumours soon started swirling about how crucial Simu Liu's superhero would be to the MCU.

Jeff Loveness, meanwhile, was brought on board to pen the screenplay after introducing Kang the Conqueror in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania. Marvel Studios was left reeling by the negative critical and fan response to the movie and, several months later, Loveness was pulled from the project and replaced by Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness scribe Michael Waldron.

He'd already been tasked with writing Avengers: Secret Wars but was never a particularly popular choice among fans and, earlier this year, we heard he too had been removed from the movies. And thus ended Kevin Feige's apparent love affair with Rick and Morty creatives.

5. "Capping A Saga"

According to Feige, the idea was for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars - and this was back when they were both set to be released in the same year - to bring the Multiverse Saga to a close.

At the time, Marvel Studios was still releasing an insane amount of content in the theatrical and streaming landscapes, meaning we'd race to the finish line by 2025. "After the creative experience we had with Infinity War and Endgame, it felt like it was about capping a Saga," Feige explained in 2022. "Saving back-to-back Avengers films for the completion of a saga."

"So many of our movies now - Multiverse of Madness' and what you’re about to see in ['Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania'], all are big team-up films introducing big parts of the mythology," he added. "'Avengers' films really should be the capper to a saga."

That still appears to be the plan, though with a year between Doomsday and Secret Wars, rumour has it we'll spend a little extra time on "Battleworld."

4. Iron Man Returns...As A Villain

As production on The Kang Dynasty continued, more plot details started surfacing. With Waldron in total control of both that and Secret Wars, it seemed that tying the story into the Doctor Strange sequel became a bigger priority.

Earth-616 was reportedly set to face an Incursion with Earth-838, the home of The Illuminati. A previously unseen member of the team would come to the MCU seeking to avenge his fallen allies: an Iron Man Variant and the creator of the Ultron drones we saw in the group's headquarters. Oh, and Robert Downey Jr. would likely return to play him!

We also started hearing about The Beyonder being introduced as a Kang Variant, perhaps with the Conqueror from Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania returning with powers he'd have presumably gained from his Time Chair's power core. That might explain rumours of Marvel Studios intending to kill either Scott Lang, Hank Pym, or Janet Van Dyne in The Kang Dynasty.

Quantumania's ending with Scott worrying about his actions was tacked on in reshoots and clearly something Marvel intended to revisit.

3. Kang's Backstory

Loki revealed that He Who Remains was the Kang who won the Multiversal War after figuring out how to defeat his Variants. He subsequently created a single "Sacred Timeline" and, having grown bored with watching over it, planned for Loki to take his place.

We then met Earth-616's Kang, Victor Timely, though he was ultimately rendered harmless. Whether he and He Who Remains were the same person from different points in time is unclear, particularly as Marvel Studios has failed to really differentiate between time travel and the "Multiverse."

Loveness, however, planned to take a deep dive into Kang's history and finally answer all those lingering questions. "Lots of stuff [was deleted]," he said while promoting Quantumania. "One in particular, there’s a little more Kang backstory that I think is probably better served for 'Avengers.' Where he’s going, where he’s been, all that kind of stuff."

One crazy rumour even positioned Kang as a hero who was going to try and save the Multiverse from Doctor Strange who, having traversed the Multiverse, had caused a string of Incursions. It sounded like a weird, very busy (and very messy) movie.

2. The Movie's Most Important Characters

For the longest time, we heard the idea was for Spider-Man to be Avengers: The Kang Dynasty's lead character. Now, as we head into Avengers: Doomsday, there's still no sign of Spider-Man 4 and it feels like the focus may shift away from the web-slinger.

Loveness supposedly had the majority of the Multiverse Saga's leads (minus Thor, for some reason) battling Kang's Variants on Earth. Despite that villain's presence, the story was described as largely grounded and light on full-blown Multiversal elements.

Waldron's vision was thought to be similar but puts a greater emphasis on the Multiverse before giving alternate reality heroes a much larger role in Avengers: Secret Wars. As for the leads, we heard they'd be Captain America (Sam Wilson), Spider-Man, Moon Knight, The Hulk, and She-Hulk

At one point, it was even reported that the idea was to pull a Kaguya with Kang; that's a reference to Naruto and a character named Madara who was introduced as a serious threat and big bad. However, Kaguya unceremoniously killed Madara - proving he wasn't the threat everyone thought - and was instead established as the true villain. Instead of The Beyonder, perhaps Doom is now the "Kaguya" in this scenario?

1. The Latest Plot Update

We'll finish with the most up-to-date plot leak which, as expected, appears to borrow elements from the other details listed here and adds some new ones to the mix for a movie which, at least at first glance, had the potential to be pretty good.

The premise was that the TVA would gather Anchor Beings from across the Multiverse because, given their importance to the realities they hail from, there's a good chance they were the only ones powerful (and worthy) enough to defeat the Council of Kangs. Spider-Man was Earth-616's Anchor, while his Amazing and Friendly Neighborhood Variants were the Anchors of their realities.

The Kang Dynasty was indeed meant to be a smaller move than Secret Wars, with this team of Multiversal heroes ultimately failing to defeat the time-travelling big bad. With that, the Multiverse collapsed, leaving it to the MCU's Avengers and heaps of Variants to assemble and take the fight to the ultimate Kang on Battleworld.

We'd imagined Doomsday and Secret Wars will follow a similar path, albeit with Doctor Doom taking Kang's place. Those movies have better creative teams, but it's hard to shake the feeling we're missing out by not seeing Kang's story run its course as intended...

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MadThanos - 8/6/2024, 12:00 PM

Josh, you're the only one asking for more Kang. People didn't like the character, didn't feel threatened, etc.

KennKathleen - 8/6/2024, 12:23 PM

@MadThanos - speak for yourself. I may not be in the majority here, but I did want to see where this was going. At least give us one film where Kang is a credible threat.

Here's hoping he returns when the smoke clears, as a strategic ploy to overthrow Doom.

BreakTheCode - 8/6/2024, 12:54 PM

@MadThanos - This uncalled for. The user is just giving his opinion. Learn how to handle disagreement and grow up.

MadThanos - 8/6/2024, 1:01 PM

@BreakTheCode - "speak for yourself" and f that passive aggressive behavior.

Malatrova15 - 8/6/2024, 1:03 PM

@MadThanos - ok budi thats enough

CyberBishop - 8/6/2024, 1:39 PM

@MadThanos - and Josh thinks he speaks for everyone. Maybe all the voices in his head.

CerealKiller1 - 8/6/2024, 2:05 PM

@MadThanos - You said Josh was the only one. The reply said speak for yourself. Hardly passive aggressive, it’s just a direct response to what you said. He was polite and respectful with his response.

Give by the culture on this site and the masses of users who are just dickheads for no reason, we should be relishing the users who act like reasonable human beings, not telling them they
‘ain’t shit here’

MadThanos - 8/6/2024, 3:11 PM

@CerealKiller1 -

CerealKiller1 - 8/6/2024, 3:24 PM

@MadThanos -

dragon316 - 8/6/2024, 4:17 PM

@MadThanos - people where excited to see kang in last episode of loki still excited for kang until they saw antman that excitement went away for those people

NateBest - 8/6/2024, 5:19 PM

@MadThanos - I'm going to issue a warning and remind you to be respectful in your comments and replies. There was no need for your rude responses.

MadThanos - 8/6/2024, 5:53 PM

@NateBest - Nate, I hope you guys aren't allowing passive aggressive comments.

This is equally rude. It's an attack disguised as a polite comment.

Malatrova15 - 8/6/2024, 9:26 PM

@CyberBishop - josh is awesome pal not gonna tell you again to be civil

Malatrova15 - 8/6/2024, 9:28 PM

@CerealKiller1 - culture on the site is awesome pal..Josh breed a whole new generation of cool commenters not sure what you talk about

Malatrova15 - 8/6/2024, 9:29 PM

@MadThanos - man please give it up the warning is issued just be civil from now on and learn of your mistakes

KennKathleen - 8/6/2024, 9:49 PM

@Malatrova15 - your eloquence is second to none.

Malatrova15 - 8/6/2024, 9:52 PM

@KennKathleen - i will soon be taken into custody , my google photos account its just been banned

KennKathleen - 8/6/2024, 10:01 PM

@Malatrova15 -

MadThanos - 8/7/2024, 12:25 PM

@Malatrova15 - reported.

Malatrova15 - 8/7/2024, 1:35 PM

@MadThanos - please i beg you to reconsider man please

Malatrova15 - 8/8/2024, 2:13 PM

@CyberBishop - not gonna tell you again bro

CyberBishop - 8/8/2024, 2:44 PM

@Malatrova15 - LOL Really don't know who you think you are or why your threats mean anything to me troll.

Malatrova15 - 8/8/2024, 3:20 PM

@CyberBishop - I AM THE ONE AND YOU WILL BE CIVIL NO OPTION

CyberBishop - 8/8/2024, 3:49 PM

@Malatrova15 - LOL f&ck off with your threats bub.

Malatrova15 - 8/8/2024, 3:52 PM

@CyberBishop - this conversation is over TOS will apply do not answer me.

CyberBishop - 8/8/2024, 3:54 PM

@Malatrova15 - reported bud.

Malatrova15 - 8/8/2024, 4:20 PM

@CyberBishop - please cease the exchange now

CyberBishop - 8/8/2024, 4:30 PM

@Malatrova15 - Reported.

Malatrova15 - 8/8/2024, 5:04 PM

@CyberBishop - ok ...please i forgive you please

ItsNotForMeWahh - 8/6/2024, 12:23 PM

The Saga wasn't really setup well as far as direction and Kang is a C list villain. Them pivoting away is a great call, still not sure about RDJ as Doom but I'll wait to see how they do it

TheVisionary25 - 8/6/2024, 1:17 PM

@ItsNotForMeWahh - I wouldn’t call Kang C List given his stories in the comics and other media and the potential of fighting different versions of the same character had potential but it just had felt very messy up to this point (not to say they couldn’t have made it all come together by the end by but oh well)

I do think the character doesn’t have a lot of depth so maybe that’s why some couldn’t connect to him

TheRogue - 8/6/2024, 12:24 PM

Imo its their fault for messing up Kang. I prefer they stuck with it, and tried to make it work rather than a massive pivot. All they needed to do was recast with a better actor and have him slaughter the other kangs and maybe kill ant man to get that threat back up.

Fogs - 8/6/2024, 12:29 PM

@TheRogue - Yeap. Been saying that for a while. I hope they don't simply ignore he exists, and give at least a hint that he's still around somewhere.

TheRogue - 8/6/2024, 12:32 PM

@Fogs - I hate people say Kang is a c list villain. He could have topped thanos if they did him right

RitoRevolto - 8/6/2024, 12:33 PM

@TheRogue - Yeah...the writing definitely did a disservice to Kang, in Quantumania especially. He's able to defeat the likes of Thor and Hulk in other universes but loses to a bunch of ants? I'm still not over that lol.

TheRogue - 8/6/2024, 12:36 PM

@RitoRevolto - I dont even blamed peyton reed. In the alternate ending kang beats them all and escapes, leaving them in the quantem realm. That would have set him up.

Maybe have him kill hank or something.

Fogs - 8/6/2024, 1:54 PM

@TheRogue - Pure lack of knowledge. I may be oldschool and not be on par with what's going on but I know Kang could beat many other villains' asses, incuding Annihilus.

RitoRevolto - 8/6/2024, 5:04 PM

@TheRogue - Ahh, I see. That's the ending we should've gotten. I was fully expecting something bleak considering...

McMurdo - 8/6/2024, 12:40 PM

It's Joever

DravenCorvis - 8/6/2024, 12:42 PM

Not touching the Jonathan Majors stuff, btw.

But if Marvel got cold feet with Kang, then they've only got themselves to blame.

They (whether it's Feige, or some other folk) signed off on the scripts, treatments and overall story points - that even includes characters like MODOK.

They knew what was coming, and they greenlit it all.

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